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Will Java kill C++?
Date: 9 July 96, 17:26 EDT From: Michael Zuniga Email: mzuniga@informix.comNo way. Java is far to simplistic to compare with C++. Also, Java is too complex to be a threat to Visual Basic. I don't really have much hope for the continued existence of Java over the long term. It will probably last a while, but eventually, it will be replaced by something better (easier to use) for common programming. Professional programmers will continue to use C++ (or some future COMPILED language) to do the heavy duty work. Java will go the way of SmallTalk, a niche product that won't every really go anywhere.
Date: 10 July 96, 13:39 EDT From: Jeff Evans Email: evansj@cadvision.comWith the JIT compilers, Java applets can be just as fast as a compiled program. However, unless Java applets get out of web browsers and become more integrated with the OS, I don't see a real future for them (why should I start up my web browser to create a spreadsheet?).
Date: 15 July 96, 7:49 EDT From: Alistair Israel Email: aisrael@hotmail.comWhile it's true that Java seems to be a niche language, and that firing up your browser to, say, create a spreadsheet seems mighty inappropriate, I think Java does have potential we have yet to see. For example, when Microsoft begins to more tightly integrate their OS with Internet (via single Explorer), what do you think will become the Internet equivalent of DOS batch files? Either VB Script or Java and Java script. Also, with the planned next-generation Java coprocessor chips, we should begin to see some decent speed. Of course, for us MFC dudes, C++ will never die (maybe it'll just fade away...) ;)
Date: 17 July 96, 12:55 EDT From: Ashvini Sharma Email: asharma@comshare.comI think it all depends on marketing, and how well Sun is able to enroll other people into believing this is the right thing to do. A subset of Tk/Tcl would have been pretty hot if the press for so orgasmic about it.
Date: 18 July 96, 1:29 EDT From: Steve Haber Email: slh1995@aol.comIf 90% of all C++ GPFs are caused by a bad pointer (95% of all statistics are made up anyway), and Java has NO pointers, what does that imply about the number of GPFs in a Java program?
Date: 24 July 96, 11:15 EDT From: Rob Warner Email: rhwarner@southeast.netAll the people getting hyped about Java forget that someone still has to write the code. Java is not much easier than C++; the masses still won't be able to write programs. Besides, don't we already have VB to write slow programs? :) Java will remain a Web novelty, with people cutting-and-pasting into their home pages, for time to come.
Date: 28 July 96, 19:21 EDT From: Darren Poulton Email: darrenp@taskey.comWhile Java may be a novelty at the moment I would suggest that C++ programmers keep their eye on it. Java after all has all the painful C++ features removed and many of the features you would like to have added. Java will only get better. It is already in version 2.0 flavours.
Date: 6 August 96, 13:11 EDT From: Petter Hesselberg Email: petter.hesselberg@ac.comLot's of nice things about Java, and I don't doubt it has a future outside the confines of Web browsers. But replacing C++? No chance. What's missing from Java is a level of detail that is crucial for gaining real control of your applications user interface. If you try to abstract yourself away from the low-level stuff, you end up tied to existing widgets and paradigms; in the case of current Java, this degrades to the least common denominator between several GUIs. Tools such as Java and VB certainly have their place, and will no doubt have a (much) larger number of users than C++. But for the heavy-duty stuff, C++ and its successors will reign supreme.
Date: 4 September 96, 23:09 EDT From: Norm Byers Email: nbyers@intxxnet.comI believe Java, especially J++, will just become another ubiquitous part of our development arsenal. C++ programmers in particular will have to become fluent in Java language. For me, I see it as an opportunity to make money. I expect to be programming in both C++ and J++ for the forseeable future. C++ is best for desktop development. J++ is best when products need to be delivered over the net. Ignoring Java would be a mistake for serious programmers since it provide additional opportunity while building on our investment in object oriented development.
Date: 24 September 96, 20:12 EDT From: Michael Feathers Email: feathers@icanect.netJava has a very elegant structure, but elegance has never made a language popular outside of the ivory tower. I do think that Java has its strong points. Everyone talks about the platform independence, but few people talk about how closely the interface mechanism and the garbage collection models match those of COM. I think that those two things are what Microsoft has decided to capitalize upon.
Date: 11 November 96, 2:43 EDT From: Rodger D. Ballard Jr. Email: rballard@spiritone.comI believe that Java will not kill C++. I do however believe that a C++ programmer should verse themselves in Java as to simplify certain tasks pertaining to Internet development. People still have to write out large amounts of code for Java and that makes it just about as hard as C++ in many ways (I am speaking of a programmer that moves from scratch, an already C++ programmer find this quite easy). So it all comes down to... if your a newbie... learn C++, if your a Java programmer... learn C++, if your a C++ programmer learn Java and maintain your C++ skills.
Date: 5 February 97, 19:26 EDT From: Chris Shafer Email: cshafer@worldnet.att.netI have been programming for many years (since 1973) in Assembly language and then later in C and C++. I have ridden the "bleeding edge" down through the years. After spending the time to become proficient in Java, I am convinced that it should be taken seriously. It is entirely possible to write a full-featured Java application (not just an applet in a browser) that rivals what can be done in C++. I predict that a year from now the speed problem will be licked and then Java will be a serious C++ contender.
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